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Just heard about this on the Classical Radio station here in Tulsa:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1209371/Secret-code-etched-Stirling-Castle-revealed-oldest-written-music-Scotand.html

Thank gods for the powers of observation and critical thinking of this family!

Really stoked about this; can't wait to hear someone record this "new" old piece of music.

Now I really, really want to go there!

Date: 2009-08-27 04:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lord-enigma.livejournal.com
That is fantastic. I would love to hear that.

Date: 2009-08-27 04:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rowangolightly.livejournal.com
Yeah, with it making news, I just can't believe that some enterprising and creative musicians won't get right on that.

Date: 2009-08-27 07:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladyniniane.livejournal.com
Like a certain Celtic group I know?

I'm looking at the code right now...

Date: 2009-08-27 07:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rowangolightly.livejournal.com
If you can figure it out, absolutely!

Date: 2009-08-27 04:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kendokamel.livejournal.com
Wow, VERY cool!

Date: 2009-08-27 07:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rowangolightly.livejournal.com
Yeah, it sure makes me wonder how that came to be!

Date: 2009-08-27 05:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bleuberi21.livejournal.com
That is awesome!!!

Date: 2009-08-27 07:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rowangolightly.livejournal.com
Innit though?

Date: 2009-08-27 07:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ar-wahan.livejournal.com
Perhaps it was a Welsh harpist and composer who played for the Stuarts . . .

Date: 2009-08-27 07:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rowangolightly.livejournal.com
That's a lovely thought.

I can't help but envision a story around it, why it had to be hidden in that way...

Date: 2009-08-27 08:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ar-wahan.livejournal.com
Well, here's a wicked idea. I didn't know much about him, so just looked him up on Google, and he was a womanizer. I womder if he played the harp himself in his bedchamber to impress them, but (like me!) couldn't memorize the notes. He needed to see the music to play. But he to appear more accomplished than he was. (Or even appear to be improvisizing.) So.... he made a request of the Welsh court harpist.

King James V then could sit with the harp, raise his gaze dreamily toward the ceiling as if inspired by the muse . . . and, voila! On the ceiling was the 15th century version of the notes written in ink on the skin up one's sleeve by a schoolchild bent on cheating on a test!

Date: 2009-08-27 08:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rowangolightly.livejournal.com
Oh, that's an awesome idea!

I don't have a great opinion of James V anyway...what an idiot! (This based primarily the fact that he handed Raleigh over to be executed so he could suck up to the Spanish.)

Date: 2009-08-27 09:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ar-wahan.livejournal.com
Actually, my silly/inspired idea is starting to gather even more factoids to it that would back it up. He would have been a contemporary and rival of Henry VIII, mwe KNOW was an accomplished musician and composer (and, of course, womanizer). James V might have wanted to appear to be the same in order to "compete."

Plus, the image around which the "cheat sheet" appears is that of a lady . . . whom he might have even told whomever he was trying to impress that it was his "muse."

If you end up performing this piece as QG, you are welcome to use my speculations to amuse your audience.

(Oh, and ... rereading the article, it's not clear where the roundels were in the bed chamber. Maybe not on the ceiling, but perhaps on the wall near the ceiling? An even more convenient angle for looking at embedded code -- less neck and eye strain. :P )
Edited Date: 2009-08-27 09:24 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-08-27 09:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rowangolightly.livejournal.com
Yes, that absolutely makes sense. He had to have lived in his uncle's shadow all his life. Henry VIII cut a HUGE figure and his older sister Margaret lovely him fondly, probably holding him up as an example of all things civilized to her son.

Tudor history is something I know TOO much about. Um, except for the fact that I confused V and VI in my last comment....

And he was Mary, Queen of Scots' father; other than that, he really is a minor footnote in history. He might have been like that in real life, too...

Date: 2009-08-27 09:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ar-wahan.livejournal.com
Ah, I'd wondered how he'd managed to turn Walter Raleigh over to whomever, when he was already dead!

(See, I know even less of the history of that era -- hence my edited comment here!)
Edited Date: 2009-08-27 09:42 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-08-27 09:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rowangolightly.livejournal.com
Yeah, my bad. His grandson did it.

See, when I was first playing QG, I didn't research past the year I was playing; didn't want to know my own "future history." So when I went to England the first time and visited Westminster Abbey, the little church right next to it is where Raleigh's remains are interred, right in front of the pulpit. I read the sign outside the church explaining that James VI had Raleigh imprisoned for piracy (QG gave him a letter of marque) but James was sucking up to the Spanish. I stood there, in modern dress and exploded, "He did WHAT? That little PISSANT!" The friends I was traveling with roared and everybody else looked at me like I was crazy.

You should've seen my reaction when they wanted to take a picture of me in front of that unspeakable Puritan, Cromwell!

Date: 2009-08-27 10:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladyniniane.livejournal.com
Ummm..."QG" is us.

"QE", I believe, is you...

::gd&r::

Date: 2009-08-27 10:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rowangolightly.livejournal.com
Blame my fingers....and my goddamned laptop that keeps going black!

Date: 2009-08-27 09:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rowangolightly.livejournal.com
Might be nifty, depending on the tune, to set whimsical words to it that would suggest this idea!

Date: 2009-08-27 08:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xkookykrysx.livejournal.com
That's awesome! I can't wait to hear it either!

Date: 2009-08-27 08:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rowangolightly.livejournal.com
Yeah, who knows, QG might even do it!

(Becky's looking into it right now!)

Date: 2009-08-31 02:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] geezerlee.livejournal.com
There's a strathspey called "Stirling Castle" that Ruth learned from the session players in DC. It's in the Emerald Flame repertoire. Wonder if there's any musical relation...

Date: 2009-08-31 02:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rowangolightly.livejournal.com
I would doubt it, since this revelation just recently came to light; suspect that it was someone reflecting on the beauty of the castle and its setting, waxing musically about it. Have you seen pictures of that place...holyy crap, beautiful!

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